so much shit in just 90 seconds

Guess you didn't get it lol

(L).

I didn't really understand much either so I googled it and found this site where they had interpreted most of the video..It's pretty interesting http://www.kanyelive.com/talk/kanye-west/s...on-power-video/

What a load of balls. I do like the mythological gods theme though i lol every time i see him with that horus chain.

He might aswell nail himself to a cross and pretend he's Jesus, great symbolism but it's all pretentious nonsense in his video.

thats well gay

pretentious nonsense is what ye does best

can't wait for the album though, between him, rock & q-tip something special could be made.

It was pretentious but I can still respect him for pushing the envelope with his music and videos. The King Crimson sample was such a good idea for the song.

what envelop has he pushed?
its still the same shitty kanye. thinking hes a god.

I could go on forever theres so many reasons he's the most influential Hip-hop artist this decade besides Eminem. Everything from the music, to the videos, fashion, and the shows.

iv yet to see anything hes pushed the envelop on at all. hes followed trends and pretended like hes starting them. (and even then, starting a trend isn't pushing the envelop).
there's a difference between being influential(which i dont think he is at all) and pushing the envelop.

i dont like him as an artist and from what i get im not liking him as a person. however if you do that's your own thing and im not taking anything away from that, im just actually curious on what you think he has pushed the envelop on.

His influence in my opinion is pretty undeniable. As a producer alone he made sampling cool again by speeding up samples. If you think of 2000-2005 he produced so many good songs using the chipmunk soul sound including what like 99% of the hip-hop community would consider classic albums (BluePrint, College Dropout, Late Registration, and BE). All his albums are completely different which is a breath of fresh air considering most hip hop artists just stick to the same old concept each time around. He's only been a recording artist for like 6 years and already won 14 Grammies (Already like 7th all time) I know you'll say its the Grammies and it doesn't mean anything but winning that many and being up there with guys like Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney counts for something. As far as fashion goes (which you prolly dont give a shit about lol) and Besides that he's very respected by his peers including RZA and Dj Premier who both called him one of the greatest producers ever. If you look at all the new big up and coming rappers they would not be as big as they were had Kanye not came first (Drake, Wale, Charles Hamilton, J.Cole..etc)

durrr look at me im knaye my mouth was wired shut and i made songs durrrrrrrrrr


he fucking sucks

Unless you know a lot about art and history you won't get the symbolism in this video which I'm sure the majority of his fans won't know at first site. The song itself is OK but I don't think he'll be setting the bar high, not since Late Registration that is.

Didn't you have like 1k Kanye West plays on your Last.Fm....Lol ok

a lot of what you mentioned is something *ANY* good artist does. keeping it new and 'fresh' with each coming record is something most bands try and do. now i can only imagine what sampling is(from what i understand taking a part of a song and using it in there's) personally i find 'sampling' alone lack of talent, yet alone speeding it up, creative to say the least influential? i dont think so, many mixers and techno artists had been speeding samples up for ages(now i dont follow these scenes, but i can only imagine). you cant call an album classic so soon, i understand they have been out for awhile and they may be great, but only time tells when and if an album will be a 'classic'. and your right, i dont think grammies mean anything at all, but you are also right in the sense he is in the top with some of the best, and you are right hes doing something right(whether that be playing music great or just knowing how to market himself *COUGH*KISS*COUGH*[wonder what all the KISS fans will think about that lol]). and being respected doesn't exactly mean your influential or in fact pushing the envelope.

once again, this is all MY opinion, i dont want to take anything away form you, i just once again cant see how he is someone who pushes the envelope like you said, yes maby influential(even tho i dont agree 100% can still be called it) but once again being influential isn't pushing the envelope.

Maybe my idea of pushing the envelope is different than yours but it seems like nowadays in the genre of Hip-hop most artists instead of pushing the envelope away from them and doing something different decide to push it back towards them and do the same old same old. It's so refreshing to hear something different each time around (and your right most bands try and do something different but Hip-hop artists dont and thats the difference). It may be different for you since your more into Rock and its more often you see somebody switch something up but in Rap everybody just does the same thing from the music to the videos, which is basically them in front of a green screen with a few booty chicks, but Kanye is doing the exact opposite.

lol

Herbie's right, Kanye is the most influential man in hip-hop of the past decade, not to mention those classic and critically acclaimed albums, but having the hand in launching John Legend/J Foxx/Lupe/Cudi over the past couple of years.
He's definitely not the best at anything, he'll never make anyones top 10 list, don't think he'd make my top 50, but he's responsible for so much of hip-hop today, his fingerprints are all over it... which can be seen as either a good or bad thing.
I'd say he has pushed the envelope, when he dropped he was the first man in hip-hop not to push the thug image for 15 years, let alone the fashion impact he had, and now we have renaissance art and horus in hip-hop videos, there is no-one else who does that. As herbie said, every other guy is still making the booty bouncing videos we've had for the last twenty years of coke rap, almost as if Ye was the only one who saw The Roots do 'what they do'. But yeah, hip-hop is largely a very stale genre on the whole and Kanye is constantly a breath of fresh air. Apparently pushing the envelope is 'introducing new ideas in readily established concepts', I can't see how Kanye hasn't done that over the past decade.

my idea of pushing the envelope is going beyond the 'safe' area. something kanye has yet to do. and once again infleuencial is not pushing the enevelop, and there are numerous hip-hop artists out there who dont stand in front of a bunch fo botty girls and a blue screen(jsut found it funny you said that with the video of kanye in front of numerous half naked girls and a blue screen) some of them have been doing it before kanye has even been around:






beastie boys? they had never fell into the fashion side of the genre(one of the hip-hop groups who dident see fashion so important with hip-hop, look at the videos, they cared about the music not the fashion, and people dident take, that would be pushing the envelop, kanye is just as bad as the other artists for basically putting music and fashion together).
if you seriously think kanye is pushing the envelope, go listen to mothers of invention and frank zappas "were in it for the money". or go listen to some gg.allen. that's pushing the envelope. not wearing different clouths and bringing out records that sound different. thats called having your own style and being a musician. and yes maby he is a good producer, and maby he is influential. but iv yet to see any real evidence of him pushing the envelope. everything he is doing is VERY open to anyone and everyone, and its there ignorance blinding them from it. pushing the envelope would be BB LP "license to ill" which, if you look at the rappers today, started all of this, no other album at the time was speaking of empty sex, drugs and alcohol and calling themselves "gangsters", whether that be good or bad is for you to dicied.

once again, im not tkaing anything away from you, if you like him go right ahead, you like his music great, you like his production, great. and im sure he is influential. BUT he is far from pushing the envelope.

808s and Heartbreak.

maybe if that album was released b4 t-pain commercialized the shit

Autotune was only half of it, he also made every beat with the Roland TR-808 hence the album name.

Every single time he's put an album out he's gonna against the "safe" area. If you remember in 2004 when the College Dropout came out 50 Cent had just came out with Get Rich or Die Tryin and Ja Rule/Fat Joe/Jadakiss all the other big GANGSTER rappers were huge. Kanye totally went against the norm rapping about stuff that no-one was talking about at that time period.
















I could do this post for every one of his albums.

Name another rapper that was really rapping about all that in 2003-2004 because there wasn't lol.. And don't say thats having your own style because I'm sure Frank Zappa was completely different from everyone else in that time period but to you he's pushing the Envelope and Kanye isn't.. It just seems like you don't like him and don't want to give him credit which is cool but its pretty ignorant to say he isn't pushing the envelope when he goes left of every other rapper out at the moment.

each one fo thous songs were nothing amazing, looking at the lyrics there pretty bleak and not very deep at all. were they good? sure i guess, i dont listen to hip-hop very often tho. and i will say he ahd his own style and thats all it was, an own style. yes big name gangster rapper were out adn around and kanye came and did his own thing, big props to him, thats not pushing the envelope tho. pushing the envelop would be if he called them out, called the whole scene out. frank zappas mothers of invention "were in it for the money" is basically shit talking the Beatles. THE FUCKING BEATLES. that my friend is pushing the envelope. gg.allen, fuck go watch one minute of his live act and you'll understand what pushing the envelope is.


i think your failing to see my main point, you cant just push an envelope in a genre, unless you truly do see the genre is so below everyone elses standards. pushing the envelope is doing something NO one has done or seen before, something everyone else was too scared to try and do.
i dont like kanye, and it does bother men people are saying he has pushed the envelope for wearing different cloths and bringing out somewhat alright music that wasn't "normal"(yet realsed an album with autotune). once again call him influential, you can even call him a hip-hop classic, but he has yet to push any envelop.(well maby when he got up on stage and took the mic from Taylor swift, that would be pushing the envelop)

i cream my jeans every time i listen to them. still im in love with were in it for the money


"hi im jummiy carl black and im the idian of the group" \

Which is why I said for 15 years..? There are many artists who took their own root before and since the BB aswell, it's not as if anyone from native tongues ever claimed to sell crack. But this was such a long time ago, no-one in the mainstream of hip-hop has gotten anywhere without pushing the thug image for 15 years before Kanye.
I'm sure your examples were pushing the envelope too, I can't say I've ever liked Zappa at all, but I think the problem was there's just that much material I don't know where to start. Anyway, as I said I checked the definition (''introducing new ideas in readily established concepts').
So we'll take this part by part, hip-hop is a readily established concept, despite going through phases of the old-school, new-school, golden age et al. Since about '93 we've been stuck in the gangster/coke rap between Big, Jay-Z, Pac, Big L (later to 50, Lil Wayne etc etc). This has since become the cliché, which as you said hip-hop is all about empty sex, drugs and alcohol et al.
Now as for introducing new ideas, Ork Legend covered it with 808, not to mention his producing. And again Herb's right with the aforementioned albums, but I'd say that Kanye didn't introduce anything new there, he rejuvenated something we hadn't heard on radios for a long time, but didn't pioneer anything. Then again, hip-hop forgets it's history much faster than any other genre.
Kanye has brought new ideas (808, his production etc.) into a readily established concept (hip-hop), thus pushed the envelope. I guess the real discussion here is how you define this phrase differently from anyone else.

Everyones already said it but what rapper has made an entire album about Heartbreak and Love? No rapper would consider doing an all auto tune album with those types of topics because they would think everyone thought they were soft... and btw most people didn't give the album a chance because it had auto tune on it and its not even bad. Like Andy said I guess were interpreting what pushing the envelope means differently but I really just want you to see what were talking about lol.












Again nobody is doin that shit and I could still cover 2 albums lol.. What rapper would ever think of doing a song like Say You Will with the monk choir?

see heres the difference, your only talking about rap(even tho before it was hip-hop, are we consdering kanye a rap artist or a hip-hop artist?), i covered this before.hes talking about love, something NUMEROUS people have already done, that's not pushing the envelope, and hes using autotune, something EVERYONE has done. its like me re-inventing the T.V and saying how amazing i am for doing it. and that's pushing the envelope because everyone is trying to find cures for cancer and im out there trying to make entertainment better. do you see what im getting at? pushing the envelope is pushing what is not safe. Kayne has stayed in his safe zone, hell i would go as far to say lil waynes prom queen is more pushing the envelope then any of kanyes stuff because he experimented with "rock"(i use it lightly).kanye knew what sells, and simply twisted it in his favor. he hasn't come out with anything crazy or anything that pushes the envelope. the difference between kanye and frank zappa, is that frank zappa changed music, kanye changed hip-hop. that's pushing the envelope. gg allen changed live performances everywhere, kanye changed 'popular' pants. the sex pistols created a genre and a culture(INb4 ramones did it first, i think the ramones did as well), kanye fed off of a genre and a culture.




Beastie boys have been out and doing there thing for over 20 years? beastie boys has gone platnum im pretty sure, and there not pushing the gangster look, the theme? i guess you can say so since they did start it, but not the look.
(http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/push-the-envelope.html)
bold is most important. what kanye did was commonly accepted among everyone, maby not profitable but accepted, especially outside of the hip-hop world. introducing something is not pushing the envelope, if pushing the envelope was to introduce an idea or concept then EVERYONE would be 'pushing the envelope'. its about going outside of the safe zone and seeing how far you can actually go, many fail and others succeed.

stop quoting 15 videos

NO

Ok Then I'll go back to the Power Video as an example. Kanye is still in the dirt right now with the white community after the Taylor swift situation and you'd think to win them back he would put out a mainstream song that they would like. This song is the last thing from mainstream, It's not doing well on the radio and if he was smart he'd play it safe and put out a normal video so it could possibly get a ton of plays on MTV/BET so that he could win back many of his white fans back...Instead he put out a moving portrait Idk how thats playing it safe...

Taylor swift > Kanye west


also kid cudi owns kanye

b.o.b owns kanye

tribe called quest owns kanye

beastie boys owns knaye

list goes on

i dont know anyone that liked him before that stopped listening to him because of that indecent. yet alone people in the 'white community'

Ok but you make it out to be that Kanyes only in it for the money and he only plays it safe and copies whats popular at the time... and for him to be able to appeal to that white crowd that buys pop music he'd have to play it there way.


and to Tyrone Kid Cudi was discovered by Kanye and Kanye produced his first album so he wouldn't be anything without Kanye (again proving his influence over hip-hop music)

ive been listening to kid cudi since 2003

Updated the old topic with the new Jay-Z Remix

Love it

I'm liking this remix. I still have the same problem with the song, the chicks at the back need to stfu because it takes away from the real artists' vocals

I dont really like it. I see what swizzy was trying to do with it but i think he butchered it. Kanyes verses are alright but Jays is balls.

Kanye spazzed on this theres no denying lol....

damn i didnt think you could make a song worse than power until i heard the remix

always trollin my threads

id rather listen to this

I'd rather read this

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